the count may be symbolic of a lack of mass and need for public funding for a lot of things like education. martha: where does this go in terms of the debate? do you think president obama is wise to, you know, even continue to sort of put this issue out there, big bird, and put in it this ad? and does it make it look like easy sroeugd the more serious weighty top eugs of the day. >> it remind everyone of the debate which everyone agrees with us a disaster for him. it's really pathetic that he can do all these clever zingers and witty lines about sesame street, two or three days later after the debate when he's no longer on the stage and someone feeds them to him and loads them up into his teleprompter. two, more substantively this country is $16 trillion in debt. under the president's budget we'll be in about $25 trillion in debt in ten years and you're telling me we can't cut half a billion dollars to an enterprise that will be able to stand on its own through its own fundraising, it's ridiculous. martha: what about that marriage raoefplt it's 100th of 1% of the federal budget the money t